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00986DCS: MiG-21Bis openBetaAvionicspublic2021-05-12 23:04
ReporterOBERST78 Assigned ToRoland  
PriorityurgentSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
Status assignedResolutionopen 
Summary00986: Radar not working after updated
Description

After the update, the radar no longer works. Targets are not locked and are not displayed. I attach, log, test mission and tacview of the test.

Steps To Reproduce

The problem always does, in any map.

TagsRadar
Attached Files
dcs.log (631,888 bytes)
TEST_radar21_Syria.miz (8,337 bytes)

Activities

rossmum

rossmum

2020-11-20 22:36

reporter   ~01721

Radar is inconsistent for me. I'm unable to see targets I should be able to, but do occasionally have contacts pop up and can successfully lock them when they do. There seems to be no predictable pattern to whether it'll work or not.

Yink

Yink

2020-11-21 01:16

reporter   ~01722

same for, any mode any target, even in ideal conditions

Roland

Roland

2020-11-21 06:51

administrator   ~01723

OBERST78, can you provide a short track from the Caucasus map with the exact description of the issue?

OBERST78

OBERST78

2020-11-21 14:23

reporter   ~01724

Last edited: 2020-11-21 14:42

Scenario recreated in the Caucasus. As seen in the video, the planes are not displayed in the radar. If they appear, they cannot be docked.

leaving out the problem of the drop in FPS after a few seconds with the radar on, this is another problem.

I attach video track before and after the update a few days ago. In addition I attach the track of the tacview and the log.

before --> video made on a public server, using radar (at minute 0:48 - 04:00 - 07:25). It worked perfectly. : https://youtu.be/eRiq0kVfo1Y
after --> : https://youtu.be/USkUiTGKtrw

dcs-2.log (530,701 bytes)
OBERST78

OBERST78

2020-11-23 15:30

reporter   ~01784

any updates?
I saw that the highlighted problem was not assigned.
Especially in public servers against other players, this is a big problem, we can only fire IR missiles.

rossmum

rossmum

2020-12-01 02:07

reporter   ~01823

Problem seems related to altitude/ground clutter? I've noticed the radar works fairly consistently if clutter is not on scope (ie if altitude >5km), but below that, it will either see nothing or it will only see things that are <5km off the nose.

OBERST78

OBERST78

2020-12-02 11:06

reporter   ~01824

yes I did a test: Low / medium altitude enemy planes are not seen, at high altitude yes. soon the two videos.

OBERST78

OBERST78

2020-12-02 11:33

reporter   ~01825

here are the two tests

low/medium altitude:
https://youtu.be/USkUiTGKtrw

high altitude:
https://youtu.be/3N4kQs1AxBE

rossmum

rossmum

2020-12-04 23:47

reporter   ~01826

I'll have to set up a mission to get a 'clean' trackfile from, rather than a long one with the bug several hours into a mission, but I do have a clip demonstrating this behaviour as it happened during a MP session: https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingBlueOrangeUncleNox

I've encountered this several times now. At first I thought it was coincidence but it is very reproducible. When pursuing a target, it will not render on the scope at all until it passes into the clutter band - if ground clutter is in view. At altitudes where no clutter is rendered the radar still appears to function normally. I cannot confirm for sure that the behaviour also happens with closing targets, but this is probably because the closure rate is too high and so by the time the target enters the clutter band it is just about to pass out of the radar's view anyway. The problem exists in both SP and MP scenarios.

In terms of severity, this makes any form of radar-assisted engagement impossible below about 5-8km altitude and makes R-3R use below these altitudes impossible.

Roland

Roland

2021-01-06 16:13

administrator   ~01833

Please re-check and submit tracks with the latest open beta update.

OBERST78

OBERST78

2021-01-08 14:40

reporter   ~01834

The fps drop is gone. You see your contacts, but you can't keep them hooked well. If there are mountains or terrain behind the enemy, the lock is immediately lost.

Rosly

Rosly

2021-02-28 02:45

reporter   ~01976

@OBERST78 The performance of Mig-21 radar was modeled quite accurately IMHO. The situation you recorded on low/medium altitude video (https://youtu.be/USkUiTGKtrw) is actually reflecting the behavior of early radar systems. Early doper radars cannot differentiate between ground and plane echo if the target is below horizon line (which is most of the time on your video). Also on low altitude the side bands from antenna are reflecting from ground and radar will have hard time to get the lock if you are not pointing your nose above the horizon line.

Also remember this is radar from late 50s, not the one in F16 as you seems to make rolls in hope to lock the target in beam mode.
The radar only have 20deg in azimuth and in scan mode and couple of deg in elevation in beam mode, so you really have to point your nose on the target in order to lock it (rolling will not help).

OBERST78

OBERST78

2021-02-28 08:29

reporter   ~01977

I'm talking about how it worked before and how it works now, I'm not talking about radar as it must be in reality. If you had flown the mig21 before, you would have noticed the change, as have other pilots. The problem has also been recognized by the developers, maybe they will know a little more, since they have read manuals and manuals.

OBERST78

OBERST78

2021-05-10 12:48

reporter   ~02009

Last edited: 2021-05-10 12:58

the radar in the map of Syria still gives problems of FPS drops.
after 3 seconds, the FPS drops begin. just have contacts in front and you feel the drop in FPS.
@Roland

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2020-11-20 19:42 OBERST78 New Issue
2020-11-20 19:42 OBERST78 Tag Attached: Radar
2020-11-20 19:42 OBERST78 File Added: dcs.log
2020-11-20 19:42 OBERST78 File Added: Tacview-20201120-202706-DCS.zip.acmi
2020-11-20 19:42 OBERST78 File Added: TEST_radar21_Syria.miz
2020-11-20 22:36 rossmum Note Added: 0001721
2020-11-21 01:16 Yink Note Added: 0001722
2020-11-21 06:51 Roland Note Added: 0001723
2020-11-21 14:23 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001724
2020-11-21 14:23 OBERST78 File Added: Tacview-20201121-145827-DCS-TEST_radar21_Caucasus.zip.acmi
2020-11-21 14:23 OBERST78 File Added: TEST_radar21_Caucasus.miz
2020-11-21 14:23 OBERST78 File Added: dcs-2.log
2020-11-21 14:38 OBERST78 Note Edited: 0001724
2020-11-21 14:42 OBERST78 Note Edited: 0001724
2020-11-23 15:30 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001784
2020-12-01 02:07 rossmum Note Added: 0001823
2020-12-02 11:06 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001824
2020-12-02 11:33 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001825
2020-12-04 23:47 rossmum Note Added: 0001826
2020-12-19 13:24 Dolphin887 Assigned To => Roland
2020-12-19 13:24 Dolphin887 Status new => assigned
2021-01-06 16:13 Roland Note Added: 0001833
2021-01-08 14:40 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001834
2021-02-28 02:45 Rosly Note Added: 0001976
2021-02-28 08:29 OBERST78 Note Added: 0001977
2021-05-10 12:48 OBERST78 Note Added: 0002009
2021-05-10 12:48 OBERST78 Note Edited: 0002009
2021-05-10 12:58 OBERST78 Note Edited: 0002009
2021-05-12 23:04 Rudel Project DCS: MiG-21Bis 2.5.x => DCS: MiG-21Bis openBeta